Une conversation que j'initialise avec Mr R.Dolbin, editeur de MAPS ;

Dear Rick,

   I hope that the congress in Austria was successfull. But perhaps did you attend other meetings since there is some time since we met at Vanja's. It took me some time for I had to write a summary about things we talked about - and I was also waiting for any kind of reply from the mail addresses I got in Switzerland. Torsten PASSIE didn't reply to my mail (I guess that the address you gave me was the correct one) - but many other didn't reply.
   Actually nobody replied ! ^_^

   I take it quietly for I am acustomed to this. I expected a reply just to know if what I was writing was undertandable - for I feel clumsy with English. Fortunately a friend who dwells in other horizons could give a reliable appreciation that what I wrote could make sense. I made a page about these facts and our correspondance, between Bob Bruno and I.

   More important is the following that you mau be interested with:

../2009/htm/20090624111705_memoire-civilisation-eleusis_ENG.htm

   This page is about history of ergotamine - it adds and strenghten A.Hofman's intuition about Eleusis.

   Next time I'll write what I wanted to communicate with Torsten and I'll keep you informed too.

With my very best wishes,
William
DWT

note : here is the page where you can read if you have leisure to, what Bruno and me exchanged
../2009/htm/20090714113000_contacts-communaute-psd.htm
   I made this page also for Grey Litterature purpose/archive).

Réponse :

   Bonjour,

   Quelques nouvelles à l’occasion d’une remarque qui fait plaisir à transmettre. Le livre médecine psychédélique remporte un franc succès dans la salle d’attente. Plus qu’aucun autre il attire l’attention et des questions toujours dans un esprit favorable.

   De mon côté j’ai produit une page qui servira un jour si elle dit juste et vous intéressera peut-être :

../2009/htm/20090624111700_memoire-civilisation-eleusis.htm

Salutations,

So I replied and we exchanged the following,
just to show where I talk and stand from, in terms of
certification of the worth to considering the historical hypothesis I offer to the psychedelic community :

William Theaux
June 29 at 9:22pm
Hi Bob,

Thank you for your information about akhnaton - I wish I could know more ; I am not used with google-groups and sometimes it is ery buzy down here.
I can even give you an example !! for I thrown in English a recent French text that will explain it all.
But could it be possible for you to extend your grace from painting and music down to editing a poor french text that has been translated with google and edited by myself who is not so good at that. Two more words of explanation :
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d00j_albert-hoffman_music
I am interested with what this 100year old guy said - as a psychiatrist I am just a little bit more in aw with his discorevry than with haloperidol. I am not from the side where I would approve giving 'a voice' to LSD - this is already too close to mysticism and then religion as we suffer it. I am not thinking either of making hofman a guru.

But as the text will show, the New Eleusis that he and Huxley and perhaps you perhaps me can give a chance can only be set with the art of memory - and the least of this art is to give little pieces of clue. So I promote LSD in my own practice - just by words for as a professional it is already at risk - and I wish to present to any interested english speaking people the reason why this has to make a single compound with Amarna's history.
May I ask you if you would like to edit the page :
../2009/htm/20090624111705_memoire-civilisation-eleusis_ENG.htm
so to make it the clearest and the most powerfull it can be

Don't worry if you can't do it - I can find other ways but you are the first I call for this, to honor your presence in my own route.

William





( in French ../2009/htm/20090624111700_memoire-civilisation-eleusis.htm )
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Bob Bruno
June 30 at 6:20am
Hey Will ,

Getting to that site with Hoffman , I was thinking to myself , "Is this going to be about Abbie Hoffman ?" ( An activist I met and performed on the same bill with several times in the late sixties , also one of the "Chicago Seven").. haha ..Well , it wasn't him . I wanted to write back to you on my LSD experiences as soon as I saw the gist of your letter . I don't know what to make of Albert Hoffman's speech though I saw pseudo-religious scenes in my own head and knew and heard stories from others with delusions of the metaphysical . All these fantasies can be explained by opening the top of the head . I was aware of Leonard Cohen's Bible of LSD "The Beyond Within" but that also had flaws .Leary also put LSD on a pedestal that may have hurt further research and still makes the subject an anathema .So what does the old guy have to lose ? haha ... I don't know .For that matter what has he to gain by this endorsement ?

Will , I am convinced that LSD could and does bring forth the subconscious to some people wide awake . This well might have helped some drunks who couldn't get any higher or other drug users but , truthfully , I continued to drink and smoke under the influence of LSD knowing full well that there was nowhere else to go . The problem with the weekend hippies was that they faced a world under the influence of acid where they weren't what they imagined themselves to be . Finding themselves as "Weekend Hippies" , pseudo - beatniks , and then assuming their role as conservative pushers of the status quo on Monday morning sometimes made them think that the trip wouldn't end .In deed , the way to bring the "Bad tripper" back down was to try to convince them that it would end . It was like saying , the realization that you are a fraud will go away in three hours .
I never had a bad trip . I remember a lot of occasions though they started in 1963 . I can see them as mountain tops and my characters , my own identity was different in many of them according to what was the focus of the beginning of the trip . It was like a mini-life ,like a child with open eyes ,ready for anything , experimenting with steps , learning about fire , getting burnt , closing his mind with each experience as his eyes un-dilated and he became more set in his ways and character till he was back to where he was and lost the innocence of youth.

Will , LSD is not a good thing to endorse . I don't trust the governments or the medical community because of all the stigma that is inescapable when you bring up the subject . The Bible thumping is not going to stop . saying that drugs are involved in some of the revelations is never going to be acceptable .I thought that pot would be legalized . It seemed like a good idea in 1964 .. haha . Anyway ,I am looking forward to reading more from Albert Hoffman in your page . I couldn't take time right now but Akhnaton and repression go together like .... LSD and Psyshoanization... yea right ... I buy Akh a little more than the latter Maybe it is because Hoffman was a chemist .

Incidentally , I downloaded "Opera" today and like the program . I have been trying to keep up and hate the Microsoft monopoly . The Firefox wasn't the pancea I was hoping it would be for my several computers .

I hope I didn't say too much here yet my respect for Osman went amiss at "Out of Egypt" and Velikovski ... well... you know . Associating with subjects that , well , are as obtuse as LSD could bring about similar results to your readers and students ( if yu have students ... I don't know ) I haven''t imbibed in any of the many self indulgences I assaulted my senses with over the years since 2002 .My aunt asked ,"When did you find the lord , Bobby?" haha . I tried to tell her it wasn't like that but telling her "I am an atheist" didn't help . haha ... I think she thinks that Atheist get together at Easter or something .

Hey , I have to go , Will . I will get to your next page when I can . I don't know about "Editing " it but I will look at it more thoroughly a little later .

All the best to you and yours,

Bob

William Theaux
June 30 at 10:07am
Hello Bob,
The problem with Opera - for the moment - is that I can know be sure if it allows sharing directories on my harddrive and using my computer like a web site with anybody and anybrowser or ONLY with opera users. I never found a clear statement about this but I have still not proff and I guess that Opera is like usual : " if it is not said conclude that this is not " (otherwise Opera would have been too proud if it coul claim that it is universal with any browser and would have claimed it boldly) . I just guess.
Now with LSD, there is no way that you unedrstand my position if you don't look at it as a psychiatrist's ( you are a musician and I wonder what you could say if piano was forbiden by law ) . Just figure that you would write everyday to peope visiting you little papers saying them to take prozac or haloperidol - you just say them : " yes take this everyday of your life " - then you would not be able to say to them " and don't forget that THC and LSD are not worth " ; if you figure this I am sure that you understand that there is no way (for a psychiatrist) to not-endorse LSD. Because it is a matter of fact. Because psychiatrists distribute drugs. ; and if they do, they must tell about good and bad with these drugs. Because if they don't endorse LSD as other drugs, they are in serious fault.
So the risk I take is not in endorsing LSD, but in endorsing a critical position in regards with my colleagues. That looks a littke the same but it is deeply different.

When psychiatry is not politics it turns into a priesthood of a politics that has become a religion. I don' know if I have to explain or if it is plain to understand.
I am not from a priesthood - and I fully agree with your feeling that there was something religious in Hofman's 100years celebration. Actually I am already in opposition with my 'psychedelics colleague' who are budding here and there around, in that they expect and promote that psychedelics can help spirituality.
" oh my God, I say to them, don't go this way ! " the same way you talk with you aunt.
Well understood, I _can't_ say LSD is not a good thing to endorse. I see that it is a matter of fact - and a better therapeutics than many other drugs in use. The thing is that it must not be turned into a religion - for this has already been done (see the Eleusis-page) and with have experienced it's backlash of repression. Adversely it must be continuously turned, taken and returned and taken as science - and in this aim, I guess I may have shown that it is an objet of a kind of energy that is called a drive in freudian way, which is the drive of a collective psychology that is called ecology.
Ecology has nothing to do with a religion - it must not have to ; it has to do with science and some still remember that science is made distinct from religion. If we can keep it distinct here, the drive that psychoanalysis show can be addressed there.
The page about Eleusis-route is one amongst several others and recent talks about this progress in understanding ecology. It has nothing to do with religion, and even nothing to do with LSD except that they are part of the phenomenon. If psychiatrists don't endorse them then they merge into a religion that we don't want.

Thank you for looking at the Eleusis road page - tell me how you feel with it and amend it if possible and if you feel like to - i'd like to spread it and make it convincing

William

Bob Bruno
June 30 at 4:46pm
YOU are correct in that I cannot fathom your position concerning LSD . I do wish you well .I think the bravery is beyond my current means . There was a time when I worked toward what I thought were aesthetic goals like equal rights ,truth in government , fighting the war machine . These efforts tooka lot of time and energy . I did bring attention to the falsity of how I viewed Viet Nam and actually worked a benefit in support of people who had been busted in New York . The concert "Bread for Heads" which included many other groups of 1966 as well , was held at the Filmore East , a theater on Second Avenue back then , and was to raise money to get people out of jail at that time . I sang my protest across this country . 

A few years ago , I found that one of my men , my musicians had never voted in his life . I was surprised in that he was singing my lyrics which were politically active and an affront to the system . He passed his lack of participation on to his son who told me "God will take care of it." It was terrible . Pete fell off his wagon which also included a church , the Jehovas Wittnesses , which gave him more guilt than I can write about here . I think that he started drinking , felt a major pain and went into percodan . His LSD days were gone . I recognised his addiction from 1500 miles away and directed his wife to find his stash . She did and they went to a doctor who discovered that Pete had several broken ribs and prescribed percodon ,of all things. Pete got his prescrption and his black market shit and fucked up his system . Eventually he went on methadone to get off the percodon , a bad move all around . A year and a half ago , Pete nodded out in his kitchen , fell and broke his hip . He had a hip replacement but , after the operation , he was found dead leaning on his guitar in the hospital room .

The point of this story is that there was nothing that I could do or say that would change what Pete did and I ,evidentally , had little affect on hi in the past either .he lived in Florida , a pivotal state in the election of 2000 .Pete was politically involed with a church . It is hard to believe that he really believed that stuff . His wife was incommunicate after his death and still thought that the elders were her friends though they wouldn't allow her into the church .The church had something to do with helping them get their house which was in forechosure till months after Pete's death , when some insurance money got his wife more solvent .

Pete was well aware of LSD as well as mescaline in our adventures .His religious experience ,unfortunately ,had nothing to do with LSD but with the same old Christian party line . I wish he had retained some of the illusions of our past life together instead of going into illusions of the ancient past but there was nothing I could do.Pete was a participator in life , a user , an active man . He had many tragedies around him which he had survived but he coudn't survive his own. he coudn't confront me over the phone much less his subconscious mind though I wish he had aq couple of hits of acid instead of methadone.

yea yea ..

I still have to keep moving this morning so I haven't gotten to you article so far . It would be nice to have drugs every day but I don't . Prozac and all that jazz ... I have no idea . I can't even afford to see a doctor about some viagra , so fuck it . You know best what you can proscribe .Let me just say that I've been there done that and I don't see an answer chemically . I wish I could help Suzy , who I think is showing symptoms of schizophrenia , but again , there is nothing I can do . The frustration of this realization takes too much time and looking back too much makes moving forward dangerous . Ah well, I have to go again .

Have a nice day ,

( Oh , I also wonder about Opera and haven't downloaded the newer program to make the browser open to wo knows who..but I am using it this morning ,here)

Later , 

Bob


Bob Bruno
July 1 at 1:26am
You have done it again , Will .This relationship of Greek myth copying Egyptian history seems to continue in your story of Eleusis , the continuing mystery . It seems like the myth changed Osiris into a woman yet still included some of the Isis story for some spice . The spice of hallucinigens sounds like fun . I don't quite see how you got to Amarna as the originating point , so far , though the Moses link is apparent .I will have to read and re- read , going into the Eleusian Mysteries , all Greek to me . Thank you for sending this fascinating theory of yours on to me and educating me , whetting my apatite further with the mysteries of Amarna thrown in for good measure .

It is such a strange thing that the erasing of Akhnaton from the list of Kings , the act of eradicating his very name from history by the powers that followed him , could have been so successful that the results become a form of repression yet the nature of his heretical theocracy on Egypt must have been a shock to the polytheistic society of his era .If he is seen as "The Moses" , certainly there are more reasons to repress the historical story of his life .

The inclusion of drugs on the table of the Eleusian and in Amarna make sense of some of the mystical religious fanaticism that he seemed to show . Perhaps this too is what moved Hoffman ... haha .I am not qualified to be critical of your theories or to edit your excellent paper .I will have to follow and learn more for the time being . I did have to find more on the story of Eleusis and the link at the bottom was interesting and helped a little for me , the uninitiated .

I do see parallels and continuations of the Mysteries in the Essenes of Qumran as well . Those celibate men started baptism and sacriments with wine and bread before Jesus was born .I also see them as aberations , orphans, celibate men , some practicing "Sodomites ", according to their own writers in the scrolls of Qumran .They had their mysteries and excluded most other people from the Temple ,including all married men , women , Gentiles , and most of the other Jews who they didn't like .They did pay off Herod yet created a ghost kingship in their line of David . The Jesus cult that sprang from Qumran were the beginnings of the Christian Church .The Qumran settlement Hebrews were fascinated with the Greeks and wrote their new canon in Greek incorporating their own codes of "Pesher" in the Greek books . Barbara Thiering has decifered what she believes is a consistent reading of the "Pesher" or dream story of several of the major books . The story reads like a political mystery which includes assassinations ,jealousy, love affairs , and the "exclusion" of all the supernatural elements . The many "miracales" for instance , are codes for other events .( Lazarus , after being excommunicate( dead ) , was brought back into the Temple by Jesus (brought back to life).I saw evidence of the Catholic Church being aware of the "Pesher" as late as the ninth century yet they propagated the myth further to the children . ...I am getting off track here , Will . I should have included a link to Barbara but I am not a proselyte even of her story , which I do find agreeable . So much is tied together that I find it hard to believe that modern man continues to wallow in the myths instead of searching and finding the historically , possibly repressed truth in our story , the history of civilization .

Thanks again for including me, allowing me to look at this terrific paper (site page) you have written .

Here is an interesting page dedicated to Thiering's work :I wish you woud save it and check it out sometime. Again , don't let the name fool you , there is no endorsement of the supernatural at all .I couldn't link it this time .

http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/

All the best to you , Bob
The Ecole Initiative: The Eleusinian Mysteries
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The Eleusinian Mysteries, held annually in honor of Demeter and Persephone, were the most sacred and revered of all the ritual celebrations of ancient Greece. They were instituted in the city of Eleusis, ...
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William Theaux
July 2 at 8:31am
hi Bob,
Thank you for your reaginds and answers. It helps me in believing that my writings are understandable - I have ad always this problem with english. It semms to make sens to you, so I will rely on them to make furthers contacts and refer to the page.
Is it also possible/do you allow that I load our conversation on my website ?
To the next ; I shall be looking at B.Thiering this WE,
Will

Bob Bruno
July 3 at 12:46am
I suppose you are going to quote me and make me a drug addict... Oh boy .... How can I stop you ? haha .... Why worry ? I would like to see the site you are referring to sometime . 

I was surprised , as I wrote in the original note to you , how many people are taking theories for granted that we have been promoting for years . I love it ! Moses, Akh,Oedipus could become the law by osmosis . To reiterate , the Hawass article even was promoting and endorsing Tut as Akh's son . I wonder if there will ever be a DNA test on Yuya and Tut or if there is any left to compare by the time they get down to business. Hawass was the guy who mentioned a "Zionist Plot" in response to Osman's theories .I thought that it was also he behind the stopping of the DNA test in 2000 ,but then again Mubarrac isn't exactly a democratic leader and politics are so much fun in the Middle East.It isn't like they believe in Santa Clause, so why would they promote a "Zionist Plot"?

Ah well, time marches on and today my transmission is leaving my car . I can't get it out of my mind , especially as I turned around and drove home in lower gears .

Why complain ? Nobody has to face it but me . 
Now,If we could just get across the idea that Yuya might be related to Michael Jackson there wouldn't be any problem with DNA testing.
Later , Gator ,

Bob

   Et toujours sous forme d'un régime de littérature grise, ces quelques bribes encore

complément/suite : Bob Bruno :

   Dans sa perspective la plus large, la science elle-même a pour motif ce qu'on appelle aujourd'hui l'écologie (c'est à dire la relation et l'histoire de la relation entre l'environnement et telle ou telle espèce). Mais pour la part où revient le LSD, j'explique par ailleurs avec plus de précision qu'il s'agit de la science psychologique, mais précisément de la psychologie collective, de laquelle l'énergie reconnue - pulsion - trouve son objet dans le neuro-transmetteur (dont le LSD non des moindre). A cette cause, la situation de la science biologique, biochimie neurologique, est en position de semblant ; la science effective où le neuro-transmetteur psychédélique est en cause est la psychologie collective.

   J'ajoute donc en conclusion et pour ouvrir à la suite, que pour appliquer cette science, il faut faire usage du LSD dans un contexte - un setting - qui soit approprié. Il ne s'agit pas de culte ou de rituel ou de messe. Il s'agit de fournir une adaptation sociologique transitive : autant à la prise de drogue qu'à son époque c'est à dire à présent à la technologie qui l'autorise. Pour autant qu'il n'y a pas d'identification sans mémoire, l'identification de cette modernité ne saurait se fait sans la reconnaissance de l'histoire de la sociologie propre à Eleusis - porte introductive du LSD dans l'histoire comme la page déjà citée le suggère. C'est l'étape qui suit l'analyse et que je poursuis ; je produirai donc en seconde page la manière dont le PLuriel ANalytique est indiqué à la prise de drogue collective ( au lieu de la préséance shamanique) et comment il récolte les effets de l'Art de la Mémoire d'Eleusis (Céos/Simonide).